Thursday, December 3, 2009

Zulutrade - Demo accounts update - 12/4/2009

Welcome back to Zulu-burbia.

Well I've recovered from my iPhone envy enough to get together a recap of demo accounts. I skipped demo accounts review last week, so our hard-working providers are overdue for an update.

First up is TheKillerz who has been utterly sublime since adding him as a demo back on 11/13/2009. Since then he had 28 straight winning trades and picked up 685 pips. His streak was broken this past Tuesday when he took a pair of 45 pips losses on a long EUR/USD position. He recovered later in the week and is now up +722 pips in just under 3 weeks. And that's on a 2-lot position limit with a 140 pip stop which he didn't come anywhere close to hitting!

The other day I was joking with JT over at http://zulutrade-top.blogspot.com/ about how I didn't want to start gushing about how awesome TheKillerz has been lately because as soon as I do so, providers seem to blow up. At least that's what happened with Pro-B5 and Coolie 1997. Anyway, Mr Rabea is on a roll and let's all hope he keeps it up.

Next up is EliteCapital who is up +122 pips since adding him back on 11/19/2009. His performance has been a bit of a zig-zag and he's hit my 180-pip stop 3 times in the 2 week period since he's had an open demo. He went into drawdown on a pair of USD/JPY trades last week on the Dubai news last Thanksgiving Thursday. At that point, he was down -307 pips and thinks were looking pretty bleak. But he came screaming back with a single AUD/JPY trade where he picked up +402 pips on that trade alone.

Next up is PraetorianGuard who is up +33 pips in the 3-week demo period. He performance has been pretty similar to EliteCapital which is not surprising since they are the same provider. I would describe the performance as "lumpy" and he has also hit my stop a few times since the start of the demo period. Overall, I like this provider, but I'm thinking for my account size and risk parameters, a micro account with 5-lots max and a 250-pip stop might get better results.

There's most definitely a "sweet spot" in terms of lot sizes and stop losses such that taking the same amount of capital it would take to buy 1-10K lot would be split into 10 1K mini lots which can be allocated to the provider. In fact, looking back on drawdown analysis from Lot Limit and Stop loss , most good providers came in less than 1000 pips of drawdown. So it starts to look like .. open an account, and deposit $1000. Allocate 1 signal provider to that account and give him 10-micro lots max with a 200-pip stop per position. That's it, either boom or bust. If your not willing to allocate $1000 (1000 pips) to a provider, your probably going to panic out before the provider is able to trade his way back out of a drawdown. But I digress.

Next up is Coolie 1997 who is now -76 pips down on the demo period. His long NZD/USD and AUD/NZD positions both hit my 180-pip stops which took is performance into the red. On the public side, Coolie is still with those trades as well as a pair some other trades. Also on the public side, he recently took a 500-pip (system default) stop on a long GBP/JPY position. Another reason the avoid the GBP/JPY, it rips your account to pieces and a 180-pip stop just isn't enough as we saw with EliteCapital and PrateorianGuard.

Recent addition king trade made no trades this past week which was a bit of a disappointment. By the looks of his live followers, he's got a lot of new users who have made 0 pips with him who are just waiting for him to spring a trade.

I meant to follow Student but I spaced out and missed a week of demo. I'll have an update for him next week.

We're going to take a look at Zulu's recent additions from a Web-scraping perspective and see if we can extract the live follower data for each provider. If we can do that that might lead to some interesting queries and allow us to see how much deviation there is from Zulu's public "Followers" versus "Live followers." Check back later for that.

That's it, enjoy the rest of your Friday and the weekend.

11 comments:

  1. Zulu-traders-

    After having some trouble finding the link to setup new accounts, contacted Zulu support and they reminded me of the link:

    http://zulutrade.com/SignUp_Intermediate.aspx

    It it think it doesn't show up once you are signed-in already.

    Tcxmon

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  2. Thanks for posting your results.
    Looks like king trade finally made a trade today. Those using him added roughly 33 pips to their real accounts if using 1 lot. I am excited to see how this guy does. It is always nice to see a signal provider with some really good data history. Its even better when that signal provider has more than 12 weeks of trading.

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  3. JT-

    Thanks very much for the info, I appreciate. Looks like I jumped the gun on the weekend a bit here. I'll update the post later.

    Cheers,

    Chris

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  4. Hi, I just wanted to take the time and post a quick note to thank you guys for your posts.. Looking forward to making you tons of pips for a very long time to come... Cheers!

    TheKillerz!
    M.Rabea

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  5. Mr Rabea-

    Many thanks for reading and thanks for your comments! Keep up the good trading and enjoy your weekend, you earned it!

    Tcxmon

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  6. Hi, could you share how you select the top signal provider?You select them based on what category or parameter?
    How you search them through Zulutrade & how this provider attract you?

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  7. Anonymous-

    Take a look at my post back on Feb 2009 for signal provider criteria->

    http://zulumon.blogspot.com/2009/02/provider-selection-criteria.html

    Once I have a candidate provider, I watch him for a while with a demo account and promote them to a live account if they continue to work.

    Also, take a look at my recent post->

    http://zulumon.blogspot.com/2009/11/zulutrade-review-of-rosscos-picks.html

    To get an idea of my thinking as I review provider histories.

    Thanks for reading and commenting,

    Chris

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  8. Hi Chris, do you mean the provider like TheKillerz & Cheetah is recommended by you in your live account while you are monitoring others in your DEMO account?
    Since Zulutrade have so much provider, which parameter should look for 1st in order to monitor them later?
    How about the EA discussion?Could you share the link?

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  9. Wang-

    Thanks for reading and for the comments.

    Yes, I am using TheKillerz and Cheetah in my live account and the others in my demo account. See the box in the upper-right hand corner of the blog page for my current providers.

    In terms of what information I used to choose Zulu-providers, its not one item, it several items. take a look at the post I included above for the list of criteria.

    Regarding the EA's group, I let them know your interest, but they cannot accept any new members at this point.

    That said, here's what I call tell you about EA's:

    - There are at least as my EA's as Zulutrade providers. (1000's)

    - The information about their logic and trading history is not fully disclosed, and you must determine their performance from your own, first-hand experience

    - Most EA's have one or more parameters which have to be selected by the users and can greatly affect their performance, good or bad.

    - Some EA's require you to pay initial or ongoing license fees

    - You need to 'host' or run the EA in your own pc and Internet connection. Since the EA's run 24x5, you can't be 100% confident running them on your home PC due to power failure, or other desktop issue (Antivirus, MSFT patch, etc)

    - Professional hosting fees start at $30 per month and go up from there.

    - EA's are subject to all the caveats of Zulutrade - you could loose money due to legal, regulatory, Acts of God, etc, and there is no recourse for failure of any of the above systems.

    In summary, while Zulutrade looks like 'Forex with training wheels', once you understand the full cost of using an EA, Zulutrade looks like a bargain. If you think EA's are a panacea, think again, they provide many more choices, costs and risks that should be carefully weighed before you commit real funds.

    Hope it helps,

    Chris

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  10. Hi Chris, I am interesting with that & would like to discuss further with you regarding forex, could i have your email address?

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  11. Wang-

    Please send me a direct message using Twitter at http://twitter.com/tcxmon and i'll get in touch with you that way. Thanks,

    Chris

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