Saturday, November 21, 2009

Demo Accounts Update - 11/20/2009

Greetings from the Zulutrade jungle.

Here's a weekly recap of demo accounts i'm following.

The screaming winner for this week on the demo side was TheKillerz who picked up +267 pips. His demo account is up 331 pips in just one week's time. And keep in mind this is with a 2-lot limit and 180-pip stop, so with was done with realistic account parameters. I added TheKillerz in my live account this past week and he picked up 46 pips in 2 days trading.

Next up is Isunia who picked up 60 pips on the week. Overall, he's up 259 pips since the start of the demo period. He hit my 180-pip stop 2 times and at one point was down -75 pips in the demo period, but he's fighting his way back. He's also gaining in popularity and was #7 this past week in terms of live following on Zulutrade. Looking at his open positions, he's leaning heavily in favor of further gains in USD versus EUR, CAD and NDZ and AUD. Also keep in mind that he keeps loosing positions open until they come back to profitability which explains his 94% win rate.

Next up is Student who was up 53 pips on the week with 6 trades. Overall, he's up 103 pips in the 3 week demo period. On the bright side, he has small drawdowns, and I don't see a single trade moving against him more than 35 pips. But we know there were issues with incorrect drawdowns in EUR/USD this past week, so we can't really trust these numbers. Also, with his average winner you in the 10-12 pip range, I don't seen enought pippage here to come back from the inevitable drawdown.

The chickens's came home to roost this week for provider Sophistication since his heavy short positions in GBP/USD came back into profitability. Unfortunately, by that time the damage had been done in my demo account and at one point he was down about -1,300 pips. Even though he had a good week (+248 pips). This large drawdown make this provider a non-starter for my live account.

Provider JLOFX hasn't placed any trades in the demo period, so we haven't learned anything from this demo and will be dropping him unless he does something in the remaining 7 days.

Next up is Wqq899 who gained 90 pips on the week. Prior to that, though, he's been a complete disaster and hit my 180-pip stop on his first 3 trades. That definitely would have sent me running for cover in my live account.

Next up is TrendCatcher who was up 146 pips on the week but still down -141 pips since the start of the demo period. You would never know that from looking has his public profile. Again, stops and position limits make a HUGE impact on actual result and often cause large differences in performance between public and actual results.

Next up is Cheetah who as picked up 78 pips in the 3 week demo period. Overall, i'm not impressed since his average winner is less than 10-pips and not really enough to justify the potential drawdown. I'm thinking of removing him from live trading this coming week.

Next up is Coolie1997 who was up 89 pips this past week. But he's down about -781 in open positions and added new positons in NZD/USD and EUR/USD this past week. He's positioned for further dollar weakness this coming week.

I realize that's a long list and the only ones who i'm going to keep following once these expire are Isunia, Coolie1997, TheKillerz and EliteCapital. Check back later for a list of Top Providers by Live Trade for this past week and other cool stuff.

4 comments:

  1. Hello

    I can't see how you can be that much down on Trendcatcher, he's up 170 pips on my account this week alone

    Alan

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  2. Alan-

    I took a look and here's what I can tell you about Trendcatcher. He has +146 profit in closed trades in the past 5 days. If I go back to the beginning of the demo period (started on 10/29), he's down -141 pips. Finally, he has -218 pips is open losses on a GBP/JPY buy at 149.14 on 11/6/2009. I went back and look at that trade in his public history and and he closed it with a 25 pip-profit about an hour later. Yet that same trade ran to a -218 pips loss in my demo account!

    So this looks like a case where my demo results aren't the same has his live results so i'm not sure who to trust in this case.

    One thing I can tell you about Trendcatcher, is that he trades alot of GBP/JPY. And we know that GBP/JPY has a wider spread (as much as 15-pips) and a wider average daily range (over 200 pips). The wider daily range means my stop is more likely to get hit trading GBP/JPY versus GBP/USD.

    So all this adds up to him not being as steady a provider as say Bigwin or TheKillerz who trade mostly GBP/USD. Of course all that could change. We'll see. Cheer and enjoy your Sunday.

    Tcxmon

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  3. Thanks for your in-depth answer

    I have also recognized that demo-accounts tend to be less accurate than live-accounts. This is really unfortunate as we can't get a realistic test of the providers.

    Therefore Zulutrade is, to this date, not ideal as a potential auto-pilot income. Because one will allways have to follow one's signal-providers trades in order to ensure they are closed as the provider intended to.

    I also had a check on that particular trade you mentioned, and it actually closed at 22 pips in my account. 3 pips less isn't really that much, but in the long run it adds up.

    To sum up I haven't made any money on zulutrade yet. My account is basically balancing on break-even. I have lost quite a lot on Bigwin and Pro-B5, but I have made a good deal of pips with trendcatcher and Coolie 1997 actually. Time to lose Pro-B5 I guess.

    Good luck trading Tcxmon

    Kind regards
    Alan

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  4. Alan-

    Great comments and point well taken about how unreliability of the ZT platform makes it unsuitable for serious money management.

    The MT4 platform seems to be the next best alternative, but you have to host that yourself (or pay someone to do it for you). And you have to pick your EA which is not trivial by any means.

    I've lost a lot of money with Zulutrade, (down 45% since inception in early 2009. So my advice is take it slow and expect some drawdown.

    All the best with your trading,

    Tcxmon

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